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New Post 10/24/2008 11:31 AM
  Skia
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Good - Evil 

I was in a gaming forum that was discussing the concept of alignments (good vs. evil, lawful vs. chaotic). One person in particular thought that there was no point in alignments. He saw no difference between the paladin and the blackguard. He was an admitted atheist who saw no difference between good and evil, who regarded morality as a construct that society places on its members. In many ways this atheist saw more clearly than most in two things. With his denial of God came a denial of good/evil, of right/wrong. If there is no God in heaven then there is no such thing as good/evil. The second thing that he admitted was that if there was such a thing as good/evil he was evil because he lived selfishly, putting himself and his desires first. That is clearer eyed than most who argued that putting yourself first is neutral instead of evil.

It made me think of Is 5:20 and other passages in Romans 1 and in James as well, that talks about people calling evil good and people's reactions when they deny God. It also me think about the fact that more often than not our denial of God isn't usually an all or nothing thing. We tend to deny God's sovereignty in different aspects of our lives and in turn commit evil thinking that it is just a neutral action. God doesn't really care how we worship Him or as long as I do this part I don't really need to do this part of God's Word because God knows my heart. Either the God who is in heaven is sovereign in all things or there is no God and His Word is a lie.

So the question to ponder is why do we keep playing the hypocrite when we know that there is a God in heaven?

 
New Post 10/25/2008 6:58 PM
  snotmare
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Re: Good - Evil 

Greetings!

Your last question is somewhat vague, in that I understand and agree with your comments, but I don't know if "we" means the world, or "we" means me, you, Christians, etc? If it is Christians, then I'd like to know specifically what you think Christians do that is hypocritical. I can think of some, but to ponder/respond to your question, I'd need more specifics.

When talking with this atheist, did your discussion lead in the direction that all cultures that we know about have similar basic principles of morality (caring for young, caring for the clan, cold murder is something to be punished, etc)? If they can agree to that, then there is evidence of a single source for morality, also proving Romans 1.

 


He who has knowledge spares his words, and a man of understanding is of a calm spirit. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; when he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. - King Solomon
 
New Post 10/27/2008 1:47 PM
  Skia
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Re: Good - Evil 

I meant we as Christians. I like the way that the prophet spoke about it in 1 Kings when he basically asked the people why do you waiver between the two options? If the Lord is God follow Him, but if Baal is God follow him.

When I talked about us being hypocrites I was referring to the fact that we acknowledge the Lord as God and give Him lip service and even partial service as well. I was talking about us seeing the commands that He gives us and not doing anything about it, even when we have opportunity. For instance we have commands about going out and preaching the gospel, but often we come up with excuses as to why we cannot do it instead of trying to figure out how we can do it. This isn't particularly new since Moses made the same sort of excuses when told to go back to Egypt. So if we acknowledge the sovereignty of God over everything including our lives, why do we still insist on keeping back a part of ourselves?

If the Lord is God follow Him. If He is not, then don't.

 
New Post 10/28/2008 7:10 AM
  snotmare
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Re: Good - Evil 

Ok, thanks for more specifics on this. I wish other people would post their comments on this as well, because I think you and I know pretty much where we are on some of this.

I will admit one area that I think I've not allowed God to be sovereign and that's when it comes to my view of our nation. I pray for leaders and that God will wake us up to our folly, yet I stop short of actually doing anything about it (I do vote though). There's much more that I could do, such as writting letters to congressmen or getting involved in other ways. I keep making excuses to not get involved, but I need to be open to going that direction if the Lord wills it. The Lord raised up a shepherd boy to be the greatest king of Israel, who knows what He can do with us.


He who has knowledge spares his words, and a man of understanding is of a calm spirit. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; when he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive. - King Solomon
 
New Post 1/16/2009 8:07 AM
  kmccauley
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Re: Good - Evil 

 What you have brought up here is interesting but it does miss an important aspect of God.  According to what you have presented, I held something back from God when I gave myself to Pamela.  Now, granted, as we have been bonded together in unity under service to christ we inherently glorify God.  But the decision for me to marry Pamela was a "selfish" one.  I didn't do it for God, although I certainly make every effort to use our relationship to glorify God.

My point is this, while God desires (even requires) our covenental love for him, God did create this earth to be desirable for us.  I don't have my bible in front of me right now to know specificially where to look, but look towards the ends of the books of Hosea and Amos.  Both books contain visions of what God dreams for the world to be for us, and they are not worlds where we as humans are toiling and laboring for God, they are worlds where God is overwhelmingly blessing us and we are enjoying his blessings.

 
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